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Final Thoughts on the First Debate

by: DocJess

Thu Oct 04, 2012 at 06:30:10 AM EDT


Was that really a debate? I'm unclear.

First, where was President Obama? He missed a lot of great opportunities to call Mitt out for misstatements that he made. Then again, the president has two full-time day jobs, and didn't spend the time prepping that Mittens did. And that prep showed: if you watched the left side of the split screen when Obama was speaking, you would have seen Mitt alternately pained, bored, but a lot of times just waiting for the opportunity to interrupt, get off a practiced line, smile smugly, and then act like the bully that he is. 

A lot of the fault lies with Jim Lehrer who lost control a few minutes in, and then was more of a doormat than a moderator. 

The initial polls show that most people thought Mittens won. But remember that the initial polls are on presentation and not on substance. If I worked for the Obama campaign, I'd have ads up today under the title "Which Mitt?" showing that his answers were inconsistent, lacked math, facts, and consistency, and above all counteracted most everything he's been running on for the past 6 years. This link is to Politifact's debate fact checker article. It's interesting that they called a lot of what Obama said "half-true" when even in their write-up they point out that Obama was completely correct. Politifact used to be an honest broker, but this year, they've been getting things wrong with a partisan spin to the GOP talking points. Still, it's a place to start in looking at what is true, and it isn't the litany Mitt ran through. A more detailed analysis is of the facts is here, but sadly most low-information voters will be unable to read through it. And one more round-up.

Luckily, one debate does not an election make. While even his supporters will say that President Obama had an off night, there was not a lot (except Medicare and Social Security, which he should have defended more strongly) to harm him. Further, it's unlikely that his likeability score will change: we ALL have bad days, and we all know our president well enough to know that's what last night was.

Meanwhile, Mitt created a lot of trouble for himself. Not just the swing-state ads that will certainly hit the airwaves in the next news cycle or two, but by walking back so much of what he has been running on, he's hurt himself with his base. His mish-mash of information on Romneycare is going to come back to haunt him. Further, he didn't come off any more likeable than he was going in. Fire Big Bird? Really?

What Mitt had to do for the long run was not just come off more practiced last night, but to get those 792 undecided voters across the swing states to like him. And saying that he likes Big Bird, but he'd basically fire him, will not endear him to anyone. Had he spoken about cutting NPR and PBS funds in the ozone (like he talked about most things) he might have gotten away with it: but he put a face to yet another person he'd like to fire. (And we all know he likes firing people.) It seems a minor point, but it speaks to what he is, and it won't play well.

And so - there are two more presidential debates, and the Biden-Ryan showdown. It's not over, and while the needle may move a little, this wasn't the game changer the wacko right wanted. 

DocJess :: Final Thoughts on the First Debate

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I'd have ads up today under the title "Which Mitt?" showing that his answers were inconsistent, lacked math, facts, and consistency, and above all counteracted most everything he's been running on for the past 6 years.

I know the President wanted to keep from blowing his top. Looked like he was biting his lip several time to keep from going off on Romney. Not sure if it was planned or not, but there will be a ton of stuff from the debate that they can use in the next weeks ads. Shoot, they can even show Romney as running to his Liberal old self. he got in a couple things like cutting PBS funding (one of his practiced zingers?), but I heard a lot of things like not cutting any federal eductaion items and so forth that the Right will or should go nuts over.  


flip flops (0.00 / 0)
Remembering this little gem Romney didn't know was recorded, in spite of what he had memorized for the debate- "Forty-seven percent of Americans pay no income tax," Romney said, and that his role "is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

I guess that excludes the MA residents. I recently found out he used one of his son's basement apt. address to be counted as a MA resident to be governor of that state.


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preparation (0.00 / 0)
I save a lot of time, having gotten rid of my tv a few years ago.

That said, reading the reports, an awful lot of stuff seems to have gotten by Obama, like the "cuts" in Medicare.  Where was his prep team with regards to that stuff?  He should have been prepared to come right back with the truth for all the false stuff floating around.


he did (0.00 / 0)
He did rebut the Medicare 'cuts'.  Romney repeated the line 9 times I think though.  Was he supposed to rebut it 9 times?  Someone on another site compared Romney's debate style to the Gish Gallop:
The gallop is often used as an indirect argument from authority, as it appears to paint the "galloper" as an expert in a broad range of subjects and the opponent as an incompetent bumbler who didn't do their homework before the debate. Such emphasis on style over substance is the reason many scientists disdain public debates as a forum for disseminating opinions.

Is that a good summary of the debate?


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yes, rebut it every time (0.00 / 0)
I'm in a group dealing with health issues, not politics, and Obamacare and Medicare "cuts" came up just before the debate.  The group runs the political spectrum.  After the debate, those on the right were convinced that Romney had made his point about the cuts and that Obama had no answer.

Now you might say that they were not open to being convinced otherwise, but they do listen to some extent.  Letting stuff go by with an inadequate response imprints it on their brain.


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tv (0.00 / 0)
We chose not to have tv except for one time when it was already provided with rent. That said, I managed to watch some of it streaming. I wouldn't want to leave it up to relying on reports from most sources.

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The Ad I think would be funny to see (0.00 / 0)
Since Harry Reid is not in an election year, and may not run again because of his age, it would be funny to see an ad released where they show Romney from the debate talking about how he could work with both sides of Congress, then show the clip of McConnell stating they will do anything to make Obama a one term President, then show Harry Reid stating that he has learned from his fellow Republicans and that he will not allow any working across the aisle under a Romney administration........

Or something to that effect.........

I would have liked that question in the debate to have been the first question. Let each side show how important it is for Congress to work with the President to get over the Nations problems and how the current Republicans have stonewalled everything, at the expense of the American people......


I'd leave out Reid (0.00 / 0)
that will just tick voters off at us too.

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Is it Time to Modernize the Debates? (0.00 / 0)

I think part of the President's problem, not all of it, but some of it.  Was that he was prepared to attack Romney on certain things, but Romney's response on all of it was to first deny that he had ever committed to those things and then accuse Obama of making it up.

To effectively combat it, the President would have had to be more prepared with details and force Romney to one by one disavow the things on which the President was basing his criticism.

The other thing (and here is where the need to update the debate comes), it would be nice for this type of back and forth on what the candidates had said if the canidates could bring up the youtube clip showing what they are basing their attack on.



I think I know where "Obama Was" (0.00 / 0)
One of the things we heard, after the debate, and loudly by Chris Mathews was, Where were you Mr President. Will, I thought of something last night that might explain where President Obama was during the debate. Can't remember the timing exactly, but about an hour before the debate started there was Breaking News that Syrian artilery shells had fallen in Turkey and killed civilians, that Turkey had notified NATO and the UN, and that they had responded. I have a feeling, that was heavily on President Obama's mind and was much more important than the stupid political theater that was about to happen.

It has been afew good days on the campaign trail since, and even had Romney, kind of appologizing for his 47% comment. At least saying it was totally wrong. Gee, another thing today's Republicans hate, Admitting they were wrong......



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