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Recapping the August 10 Primaries, Plus a Few Other Tidbits

by: DocJess

Wed Aug 11, 2010 at 05:44:31 AM EDT


You can see the actual results here. The first thing to say is that it was a good day for President Obama, as Michael Bennet won with a commanding 54.2% of the vote. It was also a bad day for Spunky, as Handel seems to have lost to Deal in Georgia. The Handel campaign is making noise about the absentee ballots, so that may go on for a while.

The DCW community nailed 3 out of 4 in our polling, picking Bennet, Buck, McMahon and Lamont.

Surprising to me was the Minnesota Democratic gubernatorial outcome. With 1% of the vote in, Mark Dayton was well ahead. By 3%, the lead had gone to Margaret Kelliher, who was still leading at around 10:30 p.m. (ET) when Oreo took over the DCW posting, and about half the vote was in. In the end, Dayton won over Kelliher, who had received the state party endorsement. Posting returns is interesting in that you see it bit-by-bit, minute-by-minute, which is sometimes a different experience from catching up every half hour or so. 

The big winner yesterday was Steven Slater, the Jet Blue flight attendant who was hit in the head by a passenger just before the flight left, had words with her after the plane landed, and then deployed the emergency chute, took a bid, slid out, and drove home. He was arrested and is never going to be paid to fly again, but to many polite, stressed frequent flyers and attendants, he's a hero. For an interesting take on the situation, and a chance to submit your own take-this-job-and-shove-it moment, click here

The biggest losers are Moscovites. While this has flown under the radar, about 700 people a day are dying from heat and smog; a combination of weather and fire. This is double the number of people who normally die per day. Hey Inhoff, repeat again that there is no global warming. 

Also yesterday came the fallout over Robert Gibbs' remarks about the "professional left". He made disparaging remarks about all of us left wing progressive Democrats who worked so hard to get Obama elected, and are now incredibly disappointed by his corporatism.

“I hear these people saying he’s like George Bush. Those people ought to be drug tested,” Gibbs said. “I mean, it’s crazy.”

The press secretary dismissed the “professional left” in terms very similar to those used by their opponents on the ideological right, saying, “They will be satisfied when we have Canadian healthcare and we’ve eliminated the Pentagon. That’s not reality.”

Jane Hamsher is dead on when she writes about the contrast between candidate Obama and President Obama: 

Spiro Agnew — sorry, Robert Gibbs — says “the professional left is not representative of the progressives who organized, campaigned, raised money and ultimately voted for Obama.” Well, the Obama in the White House is not representative of the Obama who organized, campaigned, raised money and ran for office, so I guess it’s a wash.

Gibbs does the only thing you can do when trying to defend a record of corporatist capitulation: triangulate against your critics as extremists. But the fact is, the positions Obama has abandoned aren’t the exclusive territory of Dennis Kucinich. Standing up to the banks and the insurance companies, reducing the political influence of corporate money, defending Social Security and ending the wars are issues that are broadly popular with the American public. That’s why Obama campaigned on them in order to pave his way to the White House.

Abandoning one's base is never a good idea in the long run. Will it affect you?

DocJess :: Recapping the August 10 Primaries, Plus a Few Other Tidbits

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i think gibbs is right, and wrong (0.00 / 0)
really, when have we ever elected a non corporatist?

jfk? ljb? jec? bjc? bho? no, maybe if you go back to roosevelt, but he was more corporatist than he seemed. big business hated him, but he actually helped them a lot.

i will campaign for obama in the primaries and the general, not because of his positions, but, as life has taught me, if you challenge your own party's incumbent president, you either lose, or your entire party loses. i dont like either option, because as disappointed i am in the laundry list of lies and failures to live up to the promise that inspired so many of us to work, donate and vote for obama, he is still better than anything on the iie side.

will i work harder in the primary of 2016 to try to get a real progressive in? sure, but will i succeed? no. i think that is the real frustration for us "professional lefties" we know that our best chance in about a half of a century to elect an effective progressive was obama, and he turned out to be another bill clinton....


Obama (0.00 / 0)
I'm still surprised that people thought Obama was to the left of, say, Bill Clinton during the campaign.

I can certainly see an expectation that he would be more principled and inspirational, and I can understand that many people left, right, and center might be disappointed that he's not as "transcendent" as his campaign often implied.


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Nah - that's not it.... (0.00 / 0)
My objection is that he backed away from things he had promised. On EVERY major issue of progressive import, he has backtracked, changed his mind, and outright sold out his base.

As I've said many times before, I'd start that list with health care, and then go on to being a friend to Wall Street, and a pox on Main Street. I know the WH rhetoric of "saving us all from another Depression" but there were too many missteps.

The other thing is, Clinton, while being all-economy, all the time, never forgot the progressives. He'd let the movement know what was coming, explain when things were going to be less than we wanted -- he NEVER forgot the base.

With the Obama administration, they were all over the progressive movement right until the inauguration. Until then, there were tons of conference calls, and emails, and access to get questions answered -- that's all gone away. In addition, there is a true sense that the administration in general, and Obama in specific, couldn't care less. It's not just Gibbs' statement, it's Rahm's saying that labor blew $10 million on the Halter race and then seeming to gloat. It's the unwillingness to create a repeal of DADT that's WORSE than DADT. It's the lack of spine on the FISA court situation that he railed against as a Senator. It's the lunatic Afghan policy.

It's all of it. It's not just "principled and inspirational" -- it's that he's not even close to the guy who campaigned.  


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The far left (0.00 / 0)
I honestly don't understand the 'far' left's thinking regarding HC and DADT.

I still see all over the internet people blaming Obama for not pushing 'the public option' in HC.   Obama NEVER said during the campaign that he would support a PO.  In fact he stated several times that he believed that "now is 'not' the time to push for a PO".

Regarding DADT, Obama is doing it the correct way. He is having Congress vote to repeal DADT so that it will be 'permanent'.  Executive orders can be tossed out, but the repeal of DADT that is included in the Defense Appropriations bill will be permanent.

At times the complaints coming from the far left are just as irritating as those coming from the right.

If I were Obama I'd be so sick of all the complaining (especially by the democrats that he had expected support and help from) that I'd say "take this job and shove" and go on vacation instead of running in 2012.

Obama has NOT changed.  
He is on track to keeping the majority of his campaign promises.   Of the 500+ promises Obama made during the campaign he has 'Kept 120' so far and '243 are In the Works'.  But do we ever hear the majority of his base praising him for the good things he has accomplished? No.



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hmmm (0.00 / 0)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...
Obama: Public option should be part of reform
President thanks labor for benefits like paid leave and minimum wage

msnbc.com news services
updated 9/7/2009 2:26:10 PM ET

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama insisted Monday "the time is now" for healthcare reform as he geared up for a major address to Congress this week aimed at getting his top domestic policy priority back on track.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

December 2007, however, Obama clearly had endorsed a government-run option. In a speech at the Iowa Heartland Presidential Forum, the then-Senator declared that if he "were designing a system from scratch" he would "probably move more in the direction of a single-payer plan,"

"But what we have to do right now," Obama added, "is I want to move to make sure that everybody has got coverage as quickly as possible. And I believe that what that means is we expand SCHIP. It means that we extend eligibility for some of the government programs that we have. We set up a government program, as I've described, that everybody can buy into and you can't be excluded because of a pre-existing condition."

In January 2008, meanwhile, Obama submitted an issue form to Ebony Magazine, in which, as the third principle of his health care reform agenda, he promised to "require all employers to contribute toward health coverage for their employees or toward the cost of the public plan."


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The Gang's All Here Today :) (0.00 / 0)
I meant 'single-payer' not 'public option'.

http://www.politifact.com/trut...

Nice to see nothing's changed here at DU  ;)

p.s. If everyone puts forth as much energy and passion to support Obama as there is here refuting my mis-statements then Obama should win by a landslide in 2012  ;)


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Uh -- (0.00 / 0)
Do you mean DU, or do you mean DCW?????

Also -- the problem is that the people who DID put forth the energy for REAL work in 2008 will NOT be doing it in 2012, and it will be up to the people who only voted and cheered.  


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Typo police (0.00 / 0)

Yes, of course I meant DCW.

p.s. As far as the people that WILL be working for Obama's 2012 reelection - I guess we won't be electing you as our spokeswoman then  ;)


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You should hope you can by then.... (0.00 / 0)
I'm one of the thousands of people (out of millions of voters) who turn out voters. I personally bring a few hundred people to the polls who wouldn't vote otherwise. And that doesn't include the general outreach of running call centers and voting drives.

I'm not special, there really are thousands of people who do what I do. There may even be a hundred thousand.

And that is the problem. When Michael Moore said on Keith last  night that he's expecting a letter saying: 'Dear biggest Obama supporters: YOU SUCK! Now send us money, please.'I knew what he meant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

It's exactly how I feel -- I get a call a week from OFA asking for phone banking and dollars. All the while smacking down everything I hold holy and true.

I don't go to the polls alone, and Obama may have won with 53% of the vote, but a lot of those people didn't get there without persuasion and rides.

For Obama to win in 2012 he needs an unemployment number under 6% and to win back labour and to win back the progressives. Without us and labour and the people who will have then been unemployed for 4 years, that 3.1% goes away, and we end up with the IIE. It's an untenable position.  


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leah, you dont need docjess or anyone else to be a spokesperson (0.00 / 0)
you just need a candidate, who, as president works toward the goals he set out in his campaign, and then you need motivated people to get out, make phone calls, knock on doors, and give rides to the polls. if you have enough people doing that, and if you have a president who will climb out of the pockets of the corporations, then you will have the landslide you expect.

just curious, except as acting as an online cheerleader and voting in the primary and the general, what did you DO in the 2008 campaign?

did you give money? did you volunteer at the local headquarters? if you did, did you work, or just hang out and moon for obama?

i was not as involved as i usually am, because at the time my son was 3 yrs old and i was limited, but i did make calls, and he and i walked the neighborhood, doing "knock, knocks" as he called it, I did give about $200, my wife and i, combined.

and of course i voted. i was looking forward to 2012, by then my son will be 7, and can be more active and helpful, but at the moment, obama is not very inspiring to make me drag my son along to fight the fight, but then again, i will probably do it anyway, he needs to learn early that you fight for the party, as you fight to make the party better, because if you sit on your hands until some exciting candidate comes along, you will be sitting on them most of the time and letting the IIE control your day to day life.

will i work for him in the primaries? yes will i work for him  in the general? yes. do i wish he was as moral and honest as he pretends to be? yes. do i think he is a great president? not yet. but maybe, just maybe, he will have an epiphany somewhere and get his butt back into the progressive fight. one can hope, but it does no good to pretend he is the great president he campaigned to be. he is better than mccain/palin, he is better than a thirs term of bush/cheney, but that is like saying he is prettier than frankenstein....


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How many times (0.00 / 0)
How many times do we ask Leah to answer this question? I'm not going to go to the trouble of finding the past posts where she's answered it, but I recall that the answer was that she did quite a bit beyond online cheerleading (which is itself quite valuable) and voting.

To me, Leah is an invaluable member of the community at DCW. She often is the first to break news here, and her sources are wide and varied. She listens to critiques and questions and returns with thoughtful responses and more information.

As for her unrelenting positive spin, if the President were lacking critics on this site then I might fault her for it. But it's as important to have positive reality checks as negative ones; I know if I get carried away with some negative criticism of Obama, that I'll at least have to justify my position to Leah.

(And yes, like many of us, she gets testy at times, but it's a small percentage of her posts.)


[ Parent ]
Getting the facts straight on Obama and the Public Option (0.00 / 0)
Obama DID campaign on the public option. Not a lot, but it was there.

Here's a list of sources:

http://www.sling.com/video/sho...
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

It was also in the original OFA platform (I have it printed at home, I'm at work, and it has been changed on the current OFA site) as well as in the full 2008 Democratic Platform.

And prior to that, he was for Single Payer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

And Leah - the problem for Obama is that the progressives BLED for him in 2012. Time and money. For all the people that supported him ONLY by voting, there is going to be a huge gap in 2012 when he goes looking for money and volunteers.

 


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yep, he really needs a james carville kinda guy to go to him and say: (0.00 / 0)
you better reconnect, and do it now. i think he is calculating that he can win in 2012 without them and then he wont be beholden to the left. i wonder if he is right?

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correction... (0.00 / 0)
I meant to say 'single payer'  not 'public option.
It's almost 100 degrees here today and I'm outside; my brain is frying  ;)



[ Parent ]
Watch the video, Leah (0.00 / 0)
He USED to be for single payer, too....

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I have (0.00 / 0)
I have watched the 2003 video.
BUT it has nothing to do with the PROMISES he made while running for president.
If you read the politifact article then you would see why he said that at 'that time'.
The fact remains he never promised he push for or said that he was for single-payer during the past several years.



[ Parent ]
DocJess (0.00 / 0)
Your link to the video regarding single payer appears to be from 2003.
That does not represent his 2008 campaign platform.

Here are the facts regarding his statements:
http://www.politifact.com/trut...
.


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Sorry didn't see second comment (0.00 / 0)
I know when it's from. This is the third or fourth time I've posted it....just a reminder that years ago, Obama was FIRMLY in the camp of the people, not the corporations.  

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My only expectation (4.00 / 1)

was he'd be left of Bush, but in many ways he has been disappointing continuing some of the worst offenses on civil liberties with complete disregard of his campaign rhetoric.

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Agree (0.00 / 0)
I agree, Joe. Unlike the public option, Obama did campaign unambiguously and vigorously on the civil liberties issues associated with the "war on terror," and yet he's backed off or broken many of those promises. Bush started those policies, but Obama is now institutionalizing them.

DADT is a bit of a different category for me. During the campaign, it appeared that Obama was luke-warm on GBLT issues. The progress during his administration has been frustratingly (to me) slow, but unlike the war on terror civil liberties issues, the progress on GBLT rights is not out of line with what Obama's priorities appeared to be during the campaign.


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i remember the point, in the primary race where he came to the glbt community (0.00 / 0)
and said, i do not support gay marriage, but i do support equal rights for all.

i think his slogan should have been,
"it's the election, stupid!"


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Gay Rights IS Civil Rights (0.00 / 0)
n/t

[ Parent ]
yep, this white protestant straight male agrees!!!!!! (0.00 / 0)


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It's because of the difference in Repubs and Dems (0.00 / 0)
In my lifetime, the Dems have always had a variety of opinions and positions: Liberal Dems, ConservaDems, Moderate Dems, Progressive Dems. They seldom have gotten behind a leader, normally squabbling about their petty differences and eventually costing their own party position and votes on issues.

We have seen that in 2009 and 2010. They had the votes in both the House and Senate to pass whatever they wanted, but all the different Dem parts pushed and pulled and it was them that weakened legislation. And then the Whitehouse got the blame. I can understand the frustration.

The 8 years previous, whatever the Republican Whitehouse asked for, the Congress delivered, even the last 2 years when the Dems had control.

Republicans are like sheep, all following each other around, even when they have no true leader or direction. The Democrats are more diverse and have their own agendas.


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Not quite (0.00 / 0)
Bush couldn't get immigration reform, the privatization of Social Security, or Harriet Miers, to name a few.

Immigration reform is a particularly notable example in which the Republicans acted like the Democrats often do, with different factions of their party acting to torpedo their President's initiative and weaken the Party in the process.


[ Parent ]
Handel concedes in Georgia (0.00 / 0)

Washington (CNN) - Georgia Republicans have a nominee for governor after former Georgia Secretary of State Karen Handel conceded the GOP primary Wednesday to ex-Rep. Nathan Deal.

http://politicalticker.blogs.c...



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