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The Appeasement of Joe Lieberman

by: DocJess

Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 05:22:06 AM EST


As the lead headline on HuffPost says: Lieberman Wins.

Amazing.

One man. One bitter, angry white guy out for retribution against the party he feels wasn't nice enough to him in 2004 and abandoned him in 2006, has finally gotten his revenge. Don't say you weren't warned: there were a lot of us who said "Absolutely not - do NOT allow him in the caucus after campaigning for McCain. He'll bite you in the rear." But no, the majority said, we're a b-i-g tent. 

The Medicare-for-55-64-year-olds is gone. 

This didn't happen in a vacuum: there was pressure from the White House via Rahm Emanuel on Harry Reid to cut a deal with Joe. There has been a willingness on the part of both chambers to find a "middle ground" without full grasping that once you give in, you're done. Congress and the White House crumbled first on Single Payer (which didn't even get heard), then on a robust public option, then opt out, opt in, trigger and finally, it's just plain gone. 

There is a good chance that the next concession to Joe will be the removal of the requirement that 90% of premium dollars paid to insurance companies go to actual care. (Remember, this guy has taken more than a million dollars from the insurance companies, and his wife is a flack for them, so it's an embedded family business.) After that, the next loss will likely be the subsidies. 

To be fair, no one except for Harry Reid and the folks at CBO scoring it, knows precisely what was in the legislation that Harry sent over to CBO. Well, we think we know that a Medicare buy-in was in it, so now CBO will need to adjust that score.

But let's recap what we know from reading the previous Senate bill Harry Reid took to the floor. 

Insurance companies cannot discriminate in terms of denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, nor set higher rates by gender. They'll also be limited in terms of recision. There will be some form of taxation (high earners? Cadillac plans?) to cover some offsets provided by the government to help certain people purchase insurance. There will be individual mandates, but only limited employer mandates. We are unsure whether Medicaid will expand from 133% of poverty to 150% of poverty. There is no lifetime cap on what insurers must pay, but "reasonable" annual caps are allowed. Out-of-pocket expenses are capped, but once insurance for the year runs out, the choice will be to pay for care, or go without, even though one is insured. And don't forget, the abortion issue is still hovering on one of the back burners.

There is NOTHING in ANY of the bills to limit what the insurance companies can charge for premiums. NOTHING. The sole thing that could have had an affect on premium rates was the competition from a robust public option, recently buried. 

I would like someone who has read the bills to tell me what this "reform" actually buys anyone, besides higher insurance premiums. Not what some news clip or you tube video says. Not some rumour - but someone who has taken the time to read, and can say "on page "X" it says "Y", and therefore..."

And then look here, at the 137,000 people who died from 2000 to 2006 simply because they lacked health insurance. Extrapolate that out, and think about the hundreds of thousands who will die over the next 10 years. 

If you think the abdication of morality stops with health reform, know that in households with children, in 2008, 21% of households did not have the ability to feed their children

But forget about the health care bill itself. Forget about the kids who go to bed hungry every night. What does it say about a political system where one guy can hold up everything for personal gain and animose?  What does it say about a Democratic tent so big that the obligation to keep Americans alive is forgotten so that elected Senators can feel good about all being on the same page?

There is one group still holding form to the ideals of the Democratic Party Platform: the House Democratic Caucus, which on Monday requested a meeting (not yet granted) with President Obama to discuss the situation. They're 80 members strong, and they CAN kill this in the House.

So here's the question:

DocJess :: The Appeasement of Joe Lieberman

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Better than nothing? (0.00 / 0)
I wonder, to the people who voted that "anything is better than nothing," is it better in that it will improve the health care system, or better as a political calculation? I admit to voting "Scrap it," because I see nothing of merit in the bill as it stands now, and I think it's going to get worse as we go on, not better. Joe will continue to obstruct, and the Democratic leadership will continue to capitulate until there is nothing left. It's not reform, it's a convoluted bill that won't change anything, if not make things worse.

And the American people see this process play out, and wonder where the leadership on the part of Sen. Reid or President Obama is? Where's the change we can believe in? And to those who say this is just one issue, this is the most pressing issue facing Americans right now, and the President's top domestic priority. I've given up hope on the President leading on this issue, he's weak and will not take the reigns in this fight. I do not want to see the Democrats lose next year, but if they do, it will be well deserved.

"Is profit and greed the only conceit on a scale between mere prosperity and inhumanity? It may well be." -Bad Religion


Why I think something is better than nothing (0.00 / 0)
The insurance reform pieces--pre-existing conditions, recision, etc., are necessary and will never be undone once passed.

If the rest of the bill is junk, then these changes will exacerbate other problems, like the rise in premiums. But there will never be support for undoing them. So pressure will build for real reform.

It's an ugly way to go about it, and the Senate should be able to do much better. But it's better than passing nothing, in which case all the horrible problems of people being denied coverage continue persist, while healthy people who have insurance continue to be given the illusion that the system is working.

If a junk version passes, we'll have to go through this all again within a few years, but we'll have to do something real that time, because premiums will be skyrocketing. If nothing passes, it may be a decade before we try again, and even then we may get a junk solution first.


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This is actually turning my stomach (0.00 / 0)
It doesn't sound like it's worth the paper it's now wasted. Isn't that 2,000 pages times 100? How can I think of the bipedal mammals in our hallowed place of law as the people that are supposed to be working for us?

A thought (4.00 / 1)
Why does every bill have to be comprehensive and the only bill to fix something?

In the case of the Health Care bill, I can't remember what politician said it, but SarahLaweranceScott also pointed out:

The insurance reform pieces--pre-existing conditions, recision, etc., are necessary and will never be undone once passed.
So there are things that can be fixed in the Health Care bill without including a Single Payer/Public Option/Health Care for All deal.

Congress can always come back after the first of the year and push a Public Option through using the Reconciliation process. Might be the easiest way to actually fix both sides of the problem.


Hopeful (0.00 / 0)
Don't be shocked, by the way, if the Democrats gain Senate seats in 2010. I agree they'll lose seats in the House, but the Senate is probably about 2-3 points in the unemployment rate away from seeing a gain. And this isn't a case where most of the new Senators are likely to be on the far right of the party. They're not going to be Bernie Sanders or Dennis Kucinich, but with Ohio, New Hampshire, and Missouri all having Republicans stepping down, there's the potential to pick up some more Democratic Senators who are politically roughly in line with President Obama.

I'm not advocating waiting; every day that goes by without some kind of reform kills people.

But I do think that the chances of fixing the cost curve problems later (and that's really what's gone out the window with the current bill) are pretty good.


i voted better than nothing for two reasons (4.00 / 1)
one, we cannot let the GOP have this victory
2, we need to move on
3, the fixes will stay, as scott said
4, it will force a better fix soon
5, if we lose seats, we will never get this close again in my lifetime
6, if the fix is worse than nothing, we may maintain the majority and have a shot at pulling in a few moderate GOPers, screw TLB! (ok, this is really 4A)

Angry white guy? (0.00 / 0)
Sorry, I did not mean to divert from the main topic. But I was wondering, if Lieberman were black and did the exact same thing, would you refer to him as a bitter, angry black guy?

Disclaimer: I am not white.


Nope. (0.00 / 0)
I tend to be colour blind, gender blind, sexual orientation blind -- I list those things when necessary to make a point (as in the mayor of Houston elected a few days ago is the first lesbian mayor of a major American city.)

The term "bitter, angry white guy" relates in my mind to the collection of old white guys in the Senate, past (mostly) and some present.

Are they all "bad"? Certainly not. But for a long time, the Senate was predominately white guys, as was the major make-up of the Supreme Court, the House, the White House, most executive office suites.....until the past 30? 40? years....they ruled.

And part of Joe's problem is that he has "angry white guy" syndrome. The idea that he is ENTITLED to things -- you hear it in things like "I hate the immigrants for taking jobs from regular Americans" -- there is nothing racist in the words, but it is a racist sentiment.

When I started working after college, I was patted on the head and called a girl, and told at times that I really needed "a man's help" because "girls" shouldn't work.

I know men who are white who are NOTHING like this -- men who are as colour blind as I.

But there are a lot of "white guys" -- the ones who believe that non-whites, and women of all colours, and gays and immigrants have "taken" from them. I've heard it in the past year from men who are unemployed who claim that if it wasn't for "them" they'd still have jobs.

In Joe's case, I don't think he's a racist, but rather an equal opportunity hater - of the citizens of Connecticut who denied him the 2006 candidacy, of the Democratic Party that didn't rally around his attempt at the presidency in 2004, nor his Senate race in 2006 allowing for a contested primary.

I think he's angry, and I believe he feels entitled. I meant nothing more than that....


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Ok (0.00 / 0)
Interesting explanation.

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Movie (0.00 / 0)
I can't remember the name of it, but there was a movie maybe 20 years ago with Michael Douglas as "the angry white guy" - it was about his rage based on his sense of entitlement.

I don't remember it as being good, but I remember how offended I was that someone could assume the world owed them by virtue of birth.  


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"Falling Down" - 1993 (0.00 / 0)
I think he plays the original Tea Bagger

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Joe.Giannasio (0.00 / 0)
Thanks!  

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Falling Down (0.00 / 0)
Falling Down, IMHO opinion, was a phenomenal film. Although honestly I don't think I was older then 10 the last time I saw it...

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Lost (4.00 / 1)
I honestly, honestly, just don't know anymore. It is the strangest feeling, and its depressing, but I don't know what I think about the health care bill anymore. The only thing I know for sure is that the democrats are spineless. If the republicans had the white house had 60 (or hell, even 58) senators, had the house by 30 or more seats, they would have passed whatever their landmark counterpart to health reform is back in july and it would have been signed in August. I go to the polls and I am forced to choose between cowards with a good platform and lunatics with a fascist platform. It's F*@$*#@ DEPRESSING!

For the record, I learned my lesson from Bush (although I wasn't old enough to vote in 2000 and wasn't lucid in 2004): The lesser of two evils is still better then the greater of two evils. Its not comforting by any stretch, but I'll be damned if I am going to stay home during an election just because my party sells me out with every step of the process.


What happened to old fashion vote buying? (0.00 / 0)
Could Obama build a stimulus money damn in a couple of sates, or a military base or arrange to have 90K in cash delivered to a key vote, or something, do you really sell out the bill itself to get it passed? do you really end up passing meaningless legislation when you control everything? the dems have the sen, congr, and the WH and all the money they can print, and we cant buy two or three frigging votes? isnt this america, where everything is for sale? what is going on?

Vote Buying (0.00 / 0)
The Dems temporarily bought Mary Landieu's vote with a ton of Medicaid money (which she'll lose in the final if she votes against)..

The problem is that the votes HAVE been bought -- by BigPharma, the insurance industry AHIP, AHA and the rest.

We don't have as much money as they do.  


[ Parent ]
Just got this from a friend: (0.00 / 0)
"Dear Representative,

I beg of you to please STOP the passing of the "healthcare reform" bill. This bill does absolutely NOTHING to help control the skyrocketing healthcare premiums that your constituents have been paying. In the past 10 years in the US , healthcare premiums have risen 133%, and by FORCING 30 million more Americans (who may not be able to afford it, which is why they don't have it now) into a bloated, broken healthcare system, you're ensuring our premiums will only continue to increase. THIS IS NOT REFORM. We could do better as a county to give all Americans the same healthcare that OUR taxpayer dollars afford YOU and your fellow Senators and Congressmen. If this bill passes, you'll have done nothing but bail out the healthcare industry just as you bailed out the financial industry. Neither INDUSTRY needs or deserves bailing out. The AMERICAN PEOPLE need the bailout, in the form of manufacturing jobs and protectionist legislation imposing the same tariffs on imports that other countries place on our exports, as well as restoring the financial regulations that would have avoided every major financial crisis from the 1980's savings-and-loan fiasco to our current recession.

Otherwise, you'll have given credence to every "conspiracy theorist" who believes that the Government of this country no longer defends the Constitution of this great nation and has really sold out the freedoms of the American people to the corporations that the majority of your legislation benefits. Please don't allow "we the people" to become "we the corporations".

Your VERY concerned constituent,"





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