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The Kucinich Vote

by: DocJess

Mon Nov 09, 2009 at 07:00:28 AM EST


Dennis Kucinich voted against the health care bill on principle. His full reasoning is after the jump.

I cannot fault his reasoning, and agree in principle with everything he says. Whether his action was a good idea or a bad idea is a completely separate issue.

The Single Payer advocates believe he made the right choice. That standing on principle was more important than passing reform with a Public Option. Others say it doesn't matter because the bill passed with a two vote margin, and therefore his vote wasn't needed. Still others feel that he abandoned the chance for health reform by not giving in to an intermediate option.

What do you think?

My concern is that this was Round 1, there is still going to be a second vote in the House on the conference committee bill. At that point, his single vote might well be the difference between passage and failure. There are other Single Payer advocates in the House (Weiner, Dingell, Conyers, to name a few). What if they, also, take a stand and derail any reform? If the biggest issue of the day faces threats from both the right and left ends of the Democratic Party, what does that mean?

In the comments from the list of who voted against, Ben Spector wrote this:

I don't support the idea of witch-hunts, purity tests, and threatening Congressmen and Senators who don't vote for the bills I would vote for. I honor the wide range of views in the Democratic Party, and believe that an honest internal debate of our views keeps our party alive and prosperous.

I believe its a great idea to write all these congressmen and VEHEMENTLY explain why we disagree with their views, but to threaten them, to run candidates against them, is to follow the Republican play-book and marginalize the party.

It's another consideration of how big the Democratic tent really is, could be, or should be. 

Please use the comments to explain what you think about this issue of "party purity".

 

DocJess :: The Kucinich Vote

Congressman Kucinich addresses vote on H.R. 3962

(November 7, 2009)

Congressman Dennis Kucinich after voting against H.R. 3962 addresses why he voted NO, stating:

"We have been led to believe that we must make our health care choices only within the current structure of a predatory, for-profit insurance system which makes money not providing health care. We cannot fault the insurance companies for being what they are. But we can fault legislation in which the government incentivizes the perpetuation, indeed the strengthening, of the for-profit health insurance industry, the very source of the problem. When health insurance companies deny care or raise premiums, co-pays and deductibles they are simply trying to make a profit. That is our system."

"Clearly, the insurance companies are the problem, not the solution. They are driving up the cost of health care. Because their massive bureaucracy avoids paying bills so effectively, they force hospitals and doctors to hire their own bureaucracy to fight the insurance companies to avoid getting stuck with an unfair share of the bills. The result is that since 1970, the number of physicians has increased by less than 200% while the number of administrators has increased by 3000%. It is no wonder that 31 cents of every health care dollar goes to administrative costs, not toward providing care. Even those with insurance are at risk. The single biggest cause of bankruptcies in the U.S. is health insurance policies that do not cover you when you get sick."

"But instead of working toward the elimination of for-profit insurance, H.R. 3962 would put the government in the role of accelerating the privatization of health care. In H.R. 3962, the government is requiring at least 21 million Americans to buy private health insurance from the very industry that causes costs to be so high, which will result in at least $70 billion in new annual revenue, much of which is coming from taxpayers. This inevitably will lead to even more costs, more subsidies, and higher profits for insurance companies - a bailout under a blue cross."

"By incurring only a new requirement to cover pre-existing conditions, a weakened public option, and a few other important but limited concessions, the health insurance companies are getting quite a deal. The Center for American Progress' blog, Think Progress, states, 'since the President signaled that he is backing away from the public option, health insurance stocks have been on the rise.' Similarly, healthcare stocks rallied when Senator Max Baucus introduced a bill without a public option. Bloomberg reports that Curtis Lane, a prominent health industry investor, predicted a few weeks ago that 'money will start flowing in again' to health insurance stocks after passage of the legislation. Investors.com last month reported that pharmacy benefit managers share prices are hitting all-time highs, with the only industry worry that the Administration would reverse its decision not to negotiate Medicare Part D drug prices, leaving in place a Bush Administration policy."

"During the debate, when the interests of insurance companies would have been effectively challenged, that challenge was turned back. The 'robust public option' which would have offered a modicum of competition to a monopolistic industry was whittled down from an initial potential enrollment of 129 million Americans to 6 million. An amendment which would have protected the rights of states to pursue single-payer health care was stripped from the bill at the request of the Administration. Looking ahead, we cringe at the prospect of even greater favors for insurance companies."

"Recent rises in unemployment indicate a widening separation between the finance economy and the real economy. The finance economy considers the health of Wall Street, rising corporate profits, and banks' hoarding of cash, much of it from taxpayers, as sign of an economic recovery. However in the real economy - in which most Americans live - the recession is not over. Rising unemployment, business failures, bankruptcies and foreclosures are still hammering Main Street."

"This health care bill continues the redistribution of wealth to Wall Street at the expense of America's manufacturing and service economies which suffer from costs other countries do not have to bear, especially the cost of health care. America continues to stand out among all industrialized nations for its privatized health care system. As a result, we are less competitive in steel, automotive, aerospace and shipping while other countries subsidize their exports in these areas through socializing the cost of health care."

"Notwithstanding the fate of H.R. 3962, America will someday come to recognize the broad social and economic benefits of a not-for-profit, single-payer health care system, which is good for the American people and good for America's businesses, with of course the notable exceptions being insurance and pharmaceuticals."

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The Kucinich Vote | 3 comments
The right choice (0.00 / 0)
My preferred system is not single payer, but rather a much broader public option than anything on the table right now.

So, given that Representative Kucinich is to my left on this, it may seem surprising that I think he made the right choice.

There's plenty of pressure to move this bill to the right. We need legislators to maintain pressure to move it to the left. If that's not there, the bill will get watered down. Representative Kucinich provides a credible threat that he will vote against the final bill. Other progressives could join him if the final bill is weak enough.

Do I want a bill like the one that just passed, or even a tad weaker, to fail? No. But I'd like it to be weakened as little as possible. And if individual progressives demand concessions in other areas near and dear to them in order to get their votes, good for them.

Speaker Pelosi and Representative Clyburn have demonstrated they are highly skilled at counting and whipping votes. They'll do what they have to in order to get the votes on final passage. Representative Kucinich is making sure that involves some concessions to the left as well as the right.


I agree that Kucinich made the right choice (0.00 / 0)
My preferred system IS single payer and I agree that, given the circumstances, Kucinich made the right choice.  (Making a profit off of depriving people of needed health care is just plain immoral, IMHO. "Managed" care is only "managed" for the benefit of the corporations and their stockholders, not the benefit of the people who paid the premiums and certainly not for the benefit of the public. Health care should never have been at the mercy of the free market.) Had the vote depended on Kucinich, I have mixed feelings as to which way I think he should have voted.  I am also anxious to pass something of decent value (meaning it must include a strong public option or it isn't worth passing), so I am glad it passed (I think I'm glad anyway, though I don't know enough of the details to be sure yet).

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That Stupik amendment ...

They should have ALL voted against it ... !


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