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Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act and Fall Primaries

by: Josh Putnam

Sat Oct 31, 2009 at 10:00:00 AM EDT


Earlier this week President Obama signed into law the Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act. FHQ has commented on this piece of legislation a few times already (see here, here and here), but it never hurts to reiterate the highlights. The main product of this bill (now law) is that states with primaries set too close to the general election (less than 45 days before) are now faced with having to accommodate military personnel and others overseas. That has the effect of either forcing states to shift their primaries to earlier dates in order to comply or to submit a waiver request.

Now that MOVE has been signed into law, the real work will begin. There are over a dozen states that that are affected. And it is more than just September primary states (see first link above for September primary states affected) that are affected. Obviously primary election certification takes time (see Florida 2000 in the presidential election for an extraordinary example) and that makes some August primary states like Colorado and Washington vulnerable to this new law as well. Of course, with more states affected comes a variety of responses to what is required.

Josh Putnam :: Military and Overseas Voter Empowerment (MOVE) Act and Fall Primaries
They range from the conciliatory...
"You can’t print a ballot until you know who won,” said Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, who is urging his state’s lawmakers to shift the Sept. 14 primary by at least a month. “And you can’t print ballots in five seconds. It takes several days to print a ballot. Then you have to put them in the mail."

"Old habits die hard and a September primary certainly is our tradition,” [Vermont Secretary of State, Deb] Markowitz said. “I strongly believe that if we made a change to August, politicians would adapt, voters would adapt."
...to the resistant:
“Our system of allowing people to delay voting until closer to Election Day is better in terms of making an informed choice,” [Washington state election official Katie] Blinn said.

“Things just don’t get going here until September,” said [Wisconsin Board of Elections spokesman, Reid] Magney.
Washington and other states may have a good argument for a waiver based on the fact that they accept and count overseas ballots a few weeks after the actual election date. The Evergreen state may have to expand that some. But the guidelines behind which states are granted waivers is still undecided. The folks running the Federal Voting Assistance Program will work in consultation with the US Attorney General's office to decide which states, if any, will be allowed an exemption. The vacation argument from Wisconsin is a valid one, but is a bit thin consider many of these same states have presidential primaries in the dead of winter when weather may be preventing voters from getting to the polls.

Most states, however, will likely do what Nevada did (independent of this law change) earlier this year: move their late summer and fall primaries to earlier dates.

Hat tip to Ballot Access News for the link to the reactions story.

Cross-posted at Frontloading HQ

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Simple Solution (0.00 / 0)
Have a National Primary Day. I have heard the arguments against this, but find the arguments weak. With national media, internet, and televised debates, this is simple and would reduce the amount of money needed from special interest to run a campaign.

Have a filing period to run, say 6-10 months prior to the National Primary Date. Hold the Primary 4-6 months prior to the General Election. Just imagine. You could actually compress the entire election cycle inside one calendar year. You would have plenty of time for all absentee ballots, including military.

There really needs to be major campaign reform.  


Firmly opposed (0.00 / 0)
I hate the idea. With a national primary, the barriers to entry are much higher. We'd almost always get one of the candidates who already had name recognition and power at the start. The Bushes would still have gotten through, as would Nixon, Mondale, Gore, Dole, Ford, LBJ, and probably Kerry but probably not Obama, Bill Clinton, Carter, or JFK (I know the system was quite different then, but he couldn't have won a national primary), and maybe not Reagan.

At the very least, if you did move to a national primary, you'd need some kind of run off system.


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That's your right (0.00 / 0)
The current system is STUPID!!!

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BOO! (0.00 / 0)
I'm testing that for Halloween.

I don't know that I'd call the current system stupid. For an academic standpoint, it has given me a lot at which to look.  But I don't know that a national primary solves any of the problems.  The start up costs are prohibitive to all but the frontrunning and/or self-funded candidates.  I don't see that as a weak argument.  But it certainly doesn't fix one of the perceived problems with the hyper-frontloaded calendar. If there are going to be reforms, shouldn't solve all of most of the issues that a consensus sees as problematic?

Having said that, we've basically moved to a de facto national primary system anyway.  And of all the reform proposals out there, it is the easiest* to pull off.  

One interesting idea that I came across this summer is that all the states continue to have their contests as usual and gain delegates.  But there would be a national primary at the end of the process between the remaining candidates. It isn't flawless, but it is an interesting and innovative idea.

*Compared to some of the other reforms.

Also, I think that we should draw a distinction between presidential primaries and those for state and local offices.  I don't know that a national primary day would be a bad thing for those state and local primaries.  The same problems that plague the presidential system wouldn't necessarily be in play for those.  That's something to think about.  


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I would and did (0.00 / 0)
I'm trying to think of a single thing that makes sense with the current system. Unless your into spending too much money on a flawed system.

The amount of money a candidate has to raise is stupid.

The argument of what States get to go first, or be on "Super' or Super-duper" Tuesday is stupid. Look at the mess that it caused in 2008.

Popular vote not electing the Peoples Choice is stupid.

The electoral college is stupid.

Super delegates are stupid.

Having a system where you don't have to count legal absentee ballots is stupid. And yes, I have voted with a Military Overseas Ballot in a General Election and not had it be counted. (Florida 2000)

The current system actually encourages people to not go out and vote. If you live in a Republican area, and you are a Democrat, your vote won't count because of the electoral college will be going with how your State went. That's stupid.

We no longer give the Presidency to the candidate that got the most votes, and the Vice Presidency to the candidate that got the second most votes. That shows our system can be changed. I for one, thinks it needs to be changed.


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the current system is stupid, but not as bad (4.00 / 1)
as a national primary! small, retail politcal states, then a larger pool of medium size states, then most of the rest, then a final primary period that consists of the biggest 5 states, so that as any candidate catches fire, he/she can catch in the next 'jeopardy style' series of primaries.

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National primary (0.00 / 0)
There are a lot of things about the current system that are stupid and should be changed.

But here's the way I see a national primary going:

For a couple of years before the primary, the big name candidates flock to New York and LA to raise funds. Those who are known already can raise more money, and end up way ahead in campaign chests.

The candidates then start flooding the airwaves with ads. They also make some appearances in big population centers. They never show up in any region with a population of less than a million people, except for photo ops for use in media.

There's a couple of debates leading up to the primaries. The media chooses who gets to participate by how they're polling, which is controlled largely by name recognition.

There are some get out the vote efforts, but it's largely either in the big population centers or just a phone bank.

There's still pandering, but more than ever it's to various swing constituencies, particularly low-information ones.

Finally, everyone votes.

This process involves very little retail campaigning. It replaces the bad system of Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, and Nevada having outsized power with the awful one of having the biggest, richest cities have almost all the power.

It's vulnerable to the shock-value of news events immediately before the primary, and it doesn't force a candidate to compete in unfriendly territory.

It effectively blocks anyone who doesn't already have tremendous recognition and fundraising ability from having a shot.

Do you disagree, or do you just think that's better than what we've got?


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Your working within today's system (0.00 / 0)
Think outside the box.

Campaign contributions need to be illegal. So no need to fund raise. Nothing to spend it on. Ok, I know they would need some funds for setting up websites and getting to events. Some a compromise would have to be worked out there, but donations could be limited to $100, and could only come from individuals.

Each candidate is allowed to go on every talk show they want to, but no fees.

Each candidate is allowed to do a 2-5 minute platform videos and only those can be shown as "ads", but they will be Public Service announcements, so every network has to show them. And the networks can't pick and choose (time slots or candidates to show).

Negative campaigning would be illegal. You could only speak to what you would do for your constituents or America. No special interest group could do advertising. This would be controlled by the FCC and subject to severe penalties and fines. Same for negative websites.

Candidates would be encouraged to open websites for posting their positions.

There would be weekly debates for 4-5 weeks prior to the Primary and every legal candidate could participate. No picking and choosing by any media outlet. And the Media would not mediate the debates. I would have People that are professional debate coaches and college professors that hold PHDs in Political Science and Constitutional Law mediate the debates and come up with the questions.

Simplify the process and remove the big money from the system. It's not that hard, but people are so used to doing it the $$$ way.

The only good the current system did in 2007 and 2008 was to delay the impacts of the major recession that we were in. Just look at the Millions that the campaigns wasted, but that was helping economies for areas like Denver and so forth.


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Run-offs (0.00 / 0)

Some states (mostly in the South) have run-offs -- either in the primary or in the general or both.

Most of them seem to schedule the run-off 4 to 6 weeks after the initial election.  I would think that would have to change also.



A great point, tmess. (0.00 / 0)
I can't remember whether I mentioned that in one of my earlier posts on this, but that's definitely a point of contention in all this.  I'm actually surprised runoffs aren't mentioned more explicitly in the law.

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why not a few things, only state resident human beings can donate to a state primary race (0.00 / 0)
i dont think any state has primary runoffs for president. as for the primaies for state wide and local offices, i am not too concerned, though, automatic runoff balloting would be a good thing for all of those races. as to money, and big money in campaigns, i really think it is a good thing, and in fact, if people want to take responsibility for their govt, they need to get involved in party politcis and donate small amounts of money, literally coffee and soda money, 2 bucks a week makes a huge difference, especially if 200,000,000 ameircans did it!

organized tiered winnowing primaries, in state only funding by real people. no winner take all delegate selection, so that as someone catches fire, their third place finish in early states will still help them win, as well as allowing their competition to hold onto the nomination if there is a hot spot story that causes a short term bump.


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