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How Much of the Dow's Drop is Obama's Fault?

by: SarahLawrence Scott

Sat Mar 07, 2009 at 16:54:27 PM EST


(promoted by Matt)

On both cable shows and in the blogosphere, there is an ongoing skirmish as to whether any of the recent drop in the Dow Jones Industrial Average is attributable to the Obama Administration's actions. Some on the right are calling this a negative reaction to Obama's policies, particularly the budget and the stimulus package. Some on the left, meanwhile, suggest that it is inevitable given the mess that Obama inherited.

While it's always hard to know exactly what causes the Dow to move up and down, it's possible to discern some of the major factors. And I conclude that neither of those arguments is right.

SarahLawrence Scott :: How Much of the Dow's Drop is Obama's Fault?

I'll take on the notion that this was inevitable first.

Look at a chart of the Dow for the past six months. That second slide starting in mid-February is quite dramatic, being about the same size as the early October crash but more gradual. This slide began well after companies reported their fourth-quarter results, so it isn't just a matter of finding out how bad things really are. Likewise, it doesn't seem to align with major economic reports, like the dismal monthly jobs reports. The stimulus package is also off the table as a cause--the market didn't start its new leg down until after it was signed and well after the broad outlines were known.

The weird thing about the drop is that is so steady and relatively gradual. There's no big crash, like there was in the fall, just a drip-drip-drip of bad days that adds up over time. On that basis I'd also exonerate the budget as a primary cause. Obama rolled out the budget in a fairly short time, and it had a lot of surprises. If it were to blame, there should be a sharp drop, but there's not. Instead, the market is acting like there's a "buyers' strike," where no one wants to make new investments, while the usual reasons to sell remain in place. Under those circumstances, stock prices gradually deteriorate.

Why? First of all, as Nate Silver pointed out, the Dow moves in part for reasons that have nothing to do with the broad economy. One of the most notable is the threat of nationalization or bankruptcy. If a company goes bankrupt, it does not necessarily go out of business. In fact, in some cases it may allow it to restructure some of its debt in such a way that it can expand following the bankruptcy. But in a bankruptcy, the shareholders are wiped out. Nationalization is similar.  The Dow includes Bank of America, Citigroup, and GM--throw in GE, American Express, and J.P. Morgan if you want. Some combination of nationalization or bankruptcy could send the shares of any of those companies (particularly the first three) to zero, but that doesn't necessarily mean any deterioration of the economy overall; it might even be good under some scenarios.

So if Obama had come out and said he would not allow any of those companies to go bankrupt and that he would not structure a deal which would wipe out the shareholders, he would have propped up the Dow. In the absence of such a guarantee, would you buy shares of any of those companies? You might not sell, because you'd hope your company comes through, but without buyers, the price slowly drops. In that sense, the recent drop is, in part, "Obama's fault." But it is not a sign that Wall Street thinks his actions are bad for the economy as a whole. IBM, for example, another Dow member, while it dropped in the October crash, has been pretty steady since then. So that's part of the story.

I'll admit that's not the whole story. Companies like Caterpillar and Alcoa seem unlikely to either go bankrupt or be nationalized, but their shares are also dropping. Once again, the drop is pretty gradual--a lack of buyers, rather than a rush to the exits. I'm less confident in my explanation here, but could it be that it's also the uncertainty surrounding the banks that does it? Every day that goes by without clarity on the banks means another day during which big companies don't start new projects, because they want to wait for the dust to settle before committing themselves. And that means another day of lost business for suppliers. Everything sits in limbo waiting for clarity.

For that reason, I've been urging clarity, and quickly. But is that necessary? The Obama administration seems to be focused on getting things right--that the markets and the economy can drift lower for another month if it means success in the long run. So they "stress test" the banks before making any decisions on them, and vet each of their treasury nominees very carefully before putting them forward.

If that's right, and if they can avoid the economy driving off of a whole new cliff in the mean time (that last one was a doozy), then the Dow will take care of itself in a month or so. We'll know who is going bankrupt, and who is being nationalized: those shares will go to zero, while the others will shoot way up. The industrials like Alcoa and Caterpillar will begin to see will stop feeling the stall, and will stabilize, and perhaps begin a gradual rise again.

If that's the plan, and it seem likes it is, then the Obama administration has a lot more courage than I would have had in their place. To use a metaphor which is appropriate here, they are not "spending" political capital, they are investing it, expecting big returns down the road in exchange for the sniping they have to undergo now.

(P.S. Full disclosure: I own 100 shares of GE.) 

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I think part of the problem is people see vast amounts of money being spent by the government, but have no real understanding of what it's doing in the financial area. 

And no understanding of what the financial institutions are doing, except they seem to be "stealing" taxpayer money by giving themselves obscene bonuses.  (When was the last time you got a $1 million annual bonus?)  So the latter does not bode well for any belief that good stuff is being done by the financial institution people involved here.

Until we see some good results, I think people will continue to not spend, and companies will continue to tank, and jobs will be lost.

As a side note, I realize Bushco spent $500 billion a year or so on the Iraq war, but he sort of hid that, so the big numbers aren't in the public consciousness like they are now with the stimulus.  I am sure I am not the only person thinking China is going to stop lending us money and then some devastating social collapse may occur.

I don't fault Obama for any of this except a lack of clear explanation about the financial institution part of the stimulus.

Contrary to my doom and gloom, I note a recent report that people are actually starting to buy houses in some areas where the prices have dropped into the cellar.



Personal spending up in January (0.00 / 0)
Personal spending went up in January, the most recent month for which we have figures. Perhaps that was a blip, and it went back down in February? It doesn't look like it, based on chain store sales. People are trading down, certainly: Wal-Mart gained while Target lost. The net effect was a slight gain for all the companies surveyed; the first in five months.

Consumer confidence is plummeting, though, so you're absolutely right about people's attitude.


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well, on a tiny antedotal level, our small business is still doing terrible, (0.00 / 0)
maybe 10-13% of the past boom years, but this is well up from the 5-8% of previous years we were suffering through in nov-jan. are we in recovery? on our personal level, no, but we are looking at more bids (at still rates comparable to 8 yrs ago...) and a chance that we might actually survive this great depression.

note that IS 10% of previous years, not DOWN by 10%, so we are at approx 90% DROP from 2004-2006.....


What line of work? (0.00 / 0)
Yikes! That's awful. Do you mind me asking what your business does?

Hopefully you'll have better days to come!


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bathroom remodeling in south florida (0.00 / 0)
i would feel worse for myself if i was unusual, but as bob dylan said:

"Watch waterfalls of pity roar
You feel to moan but unlike before
You discover
That you'd just be
One more person crying.

So don't fear if you hear
A foreign sound to your ear
It's alright, Ma, I'm only sighing."

pretty much the state of construction down here, but thanks for the good wishes


polls? (0.00 / 0)
What does the public think?  Does anyone "outside the Beltway" seriously think Obama is at fault for the mess in any substantial way?

Old News vs. New News vs. No News (0.00 / 0)

Part of the problem with any analysis of the stock market is trying to guess what is going on in the mind of the different participants.  Basically, you have three different groups in the stock market. 

First, you have the institutional players (pension funds, mutual funds, etc.).  These folks have reasons -- both legal and their own business profits -- to look at a very short-term picture.  Second, you have speculators.  Again, very short term players but there are other ways that they can speculate without buying stocks so it is unclear how much influence they have.  Finally, you have ordinary investors.  These are the folks who are most likely to buy and hold (and thus take a longer-term look at companies.)

Especially for the first two groups, every day is a chance to adjust their beliefs regarding what will happen over the next several months.  You begin the day with "old news" -- what do you already know or think you know.  For example, going into Monday, we know that we had a bad fourth quarter and that any news out of companies regarding the fourth quarter is likely to be bad.  Then as the day goes on, you get "new news."  How does the latest report from AIG or GM or Citibank or the Department of Labor compare to what you were expecting?  Finally, there is the no news (is GM going into bankruptcy, etc).  No news is somewhat good for speculators and worrisome for other participants -- who would rather know than guess.

The problem with attributing change to any event is that you are trying to guess what the difference is between the old news and the new news.  We know that the market doesn't like the new news, but we don't always know how or why it is worse than the old news.   



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We can tease a bit of this out in this case. It's quite unusual to see this kind of slow, steady decline. Over the entire history of the Dow, usually there are sharp drops and gradual rises. Why? Basically because it's possible to panic and sell everything at once--nowadays, it just takes a mouse click. But getting in all at once is harder; depending on the kind of investor, the money to make investments with is probably continually coming in (for an individual investor in a 401-K, for instance, they keep getting contributions that have to be allocated). So normal behavior is sharp drops when the new news is worse for a stock than the old news, and more gradual rises when the new news looks better.

But uncertainty can reverse that. If the prospects for a stock are uncertain, then there's no call for panic selling, but the steady stream of buying dries up. People gradually take money out, either because they have to (paying for retirement or whatever) or because they're nervous. But since the nervousness hits different people at different times and to different degrees, it's just a slow drop.

Gallup has an interesting poll confirming that to some degree. According to their poll, only 4% of investors are planning to take money out of the market "in the next month or so." But only 21% are planning to buy more stocks in the same period. Now, as you point out, individual investors are only one piece of the puzzle. But it's pretty clear that they're on a "buyers' strike," which suggests that it is not opposition to Obama's budget or dissatisfaction with the stimulus bill that's driving this, as some conservative commentators would have us believe.

I'm a scientist, so I'll offer a testable hypothesis. In a couple of weeks the stress test on the banks should be done, and the financial policy of the administration will be fleshed out. Regardless of the details, this slow drop in the market will end at that point. From there on forward, the market will behave more "normally," meaning that there will be sharp drops followed by gradual rises. (And no, I'm not going to try to predict the overall direction of the market. If the drops are small and the rises long, the market goes up. If the drops are big and the rises short, the market goes down. That's the usual way of things.)  


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